First I will say, since it is my legal obligation, I won’t tell anyone NOT to get the permit from DEQ.  But there are plenty of us that will not be purchasing the fraudulent 700 permit that tries to impose illegal restrictions and impose an illegal fee for something that is already written in stone-hard law. The law is heavily on the side of miners.

So what do you do if you are asked by an agent for a 700 permit and you don’t have one?

Here is a great response from Kerby Jackson on the Oregon Gold Hunter Forums:

“Well, if you choose not to go the permit route (your choice), I would inform them of/or ask the following if ever confronted:

1. What permit? The Oregon Supreme Court deemed the 700 PM permit illegal back in December. Are you asking me for an illegal permit in defiance of a state Supreme court’s decision? (Carry and present a copy of the court decision) I think you had better get an attorney to inform you about the legal penalties of ignoring a court decision.

2. Put your authority and jurisdiction pertaining to mining in writing and sign it, along with your employee ID # for my legal representation. (They have NO jurisdiction and authority over mining with the exception of the Dept. of Interior (ie. BLM) who have authority to insure that an orderly fashion of claim filing is maintained).

3. Are you SURE I am doing something wrong? Do you know that it’s a crime in the State of Oregon to interfere with a legal mining operation? I would sure hate to be you if you’re wrong. I think you had better get an attorney.

4. The 1866 and 1872 Mining Acts say that the “Public Domain is free and open to prospecting”. Are you defying an Act of Congress? I think you had better get an attorney.

About threats to seize gear:

1. See #3 above. If you are not certain I am doing something wrong and you so much as tamper with my gear, you can be prosecuted for Mineral Trespass, which is a crime in the State of Oregon. I would sure hate to see you go to jail just because you aren’t very sure of the law. I think you had better get an attorney.

2. Here in Josephine County, it’s a crime for ANY government employee (regardless of their jurisdiction) to deny you your right to due process and it is the obligation of the County Commisioners to prosecute the employee. Question: Do you have a warrant? If you have no warrant and you seize my property, you are denying me my right to due process and that is a crime in this county. I think you had better get an attorney.

You could take this on and on and on if you know even very basic mining law – which they themselves do not know. Therefore, it is important that you understand all that you can.

Obviously, if you get a real asshole, he is just going to nail you (as happened to Cliff Tracy) simply because he is on a power trip, but 99% of agency people get very edgy when they begin to realize that you do not fit the stereotype of a “dumb miner” and that maybe, just maybe, there is a risk that they might be putting themselves on the line.”  ~Kerby Jackson

See Kerby Jackson’s website: :http://www.western-stories.com/

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Written By Bill Hagan

Greetings fellow prospectors, I am Bill from South Douglas County in South West Oregon. I have been prospecting for the last 40+ years and have used just about every piece of prospecting equipment you can imagine.  Now that I am getting up in my years the days of the old pick and shovel are pretty much behind me.  Now I haven’t given up prospecting I just had to find a way to do the heavy work without all the manual labor.

Back in late 2007 or early 2008, I was reading an article about an Arizona prospector how used a gas powered vacuum to suck up material from cracks and off bed rock. It sounded interesting so I went looking for one.  They were out there but with a price tag of $400.00+ I needed to find a cheaper way to get my hands on one.  Then the thought struck me, I already had a generator, why not use an electric, industrial sized, wet/dry,  shop vac at a quarter the cost.

Here I am using my vac cleaning off some bed rock. The water in the hole is a bit of a nuisance but it does loosen the gold trapped in the mud atop the rock and in the cracks.

The location I do most of my prospecting now-a-days is loaded with shallow and exposed bed rock.  I tried using a regular wet/dry vacuum but the small diameter hose clogged far too quickly and I found myself moving a lot of smaller cobble. I graduated to an industrial sized vac with a 2 ½ inch hose and found that I could move three to four times as much material with far less clogging. A major problem, when working in wet material, is the wet material will begin to build up on the inside of the hose. This will soon reduce the suck power of the unit and eventually clog the hose. To remedy the problem one should occasionally suck some water through the hose to wash the restricting material through. The vac does work best in dry material.

The bed rock you see in this picture is under water when the river reaches flood stage. Note all the moss on the rock, the vac works very well on this also.

The material I collect with my vacuum is classified to ¼ inch and then run through my recirculating high banker or my Mountain Goat Trommel.  The vac is fun and easy to use plus it is quite effective, (see photo below).

The larger bottle contains smaller flakes, as seen in the pan, while the little bottle contains pickers.

Special Thanks to Bill Hagan for submitting this article to oregongold.net

Miners Flag - Created by Edwin Waters

Miners Flag - Created by Edwin Waters

While we are fighting for our God given rights to mine, it occurred to me that we need a banner and a symbol to be united under. I have long known about the “Don’t Tread on Me” flag. I remember creating a original version of the flag out of construction paper in elementary school for a class project. In recent years, I think of the National Rifle Association, and the fight to keep the Constitutional rights to own and bare arms. The new version that I have created, now known as “The Miners Flag” includes a pick and shovel being closely guarded by the rattlesnake. Meaning that miners and prospectors will “Not” give up our rights to mine without a fight, especially those rights to mine on federal land.

The original flag is known as the Gadsden flag and was a patriotic symbol carefully warning the creation of bigger government and regulations that restrict personal freedom. There are two variations of the Miners Flag, as seen above. Either one may be used for personal use.

“I observed on one of the drums belonging to the marines now raising, there was painted a Rattle-Snake, with this modest motto under it, ‘Don’t tread on me.’ As I know it is the custom to have some device on the arms of every country, I supposed this may have been intended for the arms of America.” ~ Benjamin Franklin

I like to think that the original flag represents all freedoms and privileges granted to us by the United States Constitution. Federal laws created by men who had no hidden agenda or making shady deals behind closed doors. The original fathers thought long and hard and they knew that mining was essential for our economy.

The rattlesnake is found only in America. The rattlesnake has sharp eyes, and “may therefore be esteemed an emblem of vigilance.” “She never begins an attack, nor, when once engaged, ever surrenders: She is therefore an emblem of magnanimity and true courage. … she never wounds ’till she has generously given notice, even to her enemy, and cautioned him against the danger of treading on her.”

Normally I would not write a post about a website. I would normally post a link at the side with the all the other well worth websites to visit. However, after exploring this particular site I am about to share, I think it is important to spread this information and I am taking time to share my knowledge about Taking Liberty. Taking Liberty is a comprehensive look at the lower 48 states showing region by region,  and how the Environmental Movement is rapidly abolishing Private Property in America.

This is very detailed look into the twisted views and agenda’s of many of America’s environmental movements and organizations, along with the agenda’s set forth by the United Nations and elitists in our country. In order for there to be a one world government, “they” know they have to bring America down to a equal level with other nations of the world.

Here is the site. Let me say this: “You” really need to pay attention to this one. Stop, take some time and absorb the information. A quick glance will not suffice.”

Taking Liberty

Another great catch from one of the members of the Oregon Gold Hunters forums

First let’s start at the beginning. It all starts with a little ol’ document called the United States Constitution. In the Sixth Article of the Constitution it states:

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

This basically means this…

The states’ constitutions and laws should not conflict with the laws of the federal constitution and that in case of a conflict, state judges are legally bound to honor the federal laws and constitution over those of any state.

Federal law trumps State Law, including the State of Oregon.

The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution reads like this:

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

For our sake let’s remove the word immunities from the above passage. I am sure it is important, but I am trying to get at something. Let’s now take another look at it.

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

We have already established that federal law is the supreme law of the land and that State judges have to honor federal law over State laws. Privileges are grants given from the federal government, usually in the form of laws, such as the Bill of Rights, but equally important is the Federal Mining Act of 1872.  See some of those laws HERE. This was a previously written piece submitted by Old Gold Miner.

Conclusion:

Environmental groups are hell bent on repealing our rights and are right now trying to find a way to repeal the Mining Act of 1872. There main complaint that minerals taken from federal land is untaxable. However, this part of the liberties that our forefathers gave to us. It is hard work to find and extract minerals. Living wages are hard to find in this field. Yet the environmentalist like to conjure up an image of a fat cat sitting back behind a desk racking in millions of tax free dollars. That’s a joke! When in reality they just want the masses to donate to their “so called” non profit organizations. Anybody who knows anything, knows that these organizations have  their ways to profit.

They also claim that hundreds of thousands of mines need to be cleaned up and will cost the government billions of dollars to CLEAN. These so called hundreds of thousands of mines include placer claims (surface mining) where prospectors would take dirt, run it through a pan or sluice box (Long Tom), and return that dirt and rocks to the ground. So in other words they are saying that they want to clean the dirt and make it cleaner? In the end you still have “just dirt”.

Countless scientific studies have been done (as to the impact of sluicing, highbanking and suction gold dredging), but environmental groups still want to spread lies and evil propaganda to feed their own pockets and money making schemes under the guise of “non-profit.” Evil politicians making shady deals behind closed doors with these radical anti-American groups; try to bend the law and try enforce unlawful permits and unlawful regulations under the guise of a State government that has no lawful say in the matter.

Mining is the first step of American Industry, productivity and economic stability. In case, you haven’t seen the unemployment numbers, we could use some productivity in the State of Oregon.

Remember Federal Law supersedes State Law!

Including unlawful fraudulent permits fee’s and forms!

If federal law grants a privilege, no State shall make nor enforce a law to abridge or deny your privileges!

Don’t be fooled and know your rights!

From Tom Kitchar of the Waldo Mining District

Dear Friends,

Oregon DEQ is currently rewriting the 700-PM Suction Dredge Mining Permit for
Oregon. They expect to release the Final Draft for public comment on April 22,
2010. There will be a 35 day comment period, three public meetings (Pendleton,
Portland, and Medford), and they plan to have the new permit approved and adopted by
the end of June, 2010.

Below please find attached (click to open):

1. 700PM GP PREDraft (proposed permit)

2. BMP CrossRef (comparison between present permit and proposed)

3. DEQ – BACKGROUND and Q&A’S

Note that a meeting was held at DEQ Portland on April 13, 2010, to discuss this
proposed terrible permit. At that meeting, approx. 60 or so miners attended from
all over Oregon (plus greenies, and other interested parties). Google “Oregon DEQ”,
and then look for instream mining permits, and somewhere you should find a link to a
recording of that meeting, plus other info on the new permit.

At the meeting, DEQ was not prepared to answer any real questions. Oregon miners
are getting screwed!!!!!!

Currently, we are trying to arrange a consultation meeting (as required by law)
between miners and DEQ. This meeting will hopefully be held in Salem, OR, sometime
after April 22. Space may be limited, so we are looking for representatives from
mining orgs to attend this meeting. If you are interested, please contact me and
let me know.

Tom Kitchar
Waldo Mining District
mythicalmining@cavenet.com

Submitted by Old Gold Miner

All National Forest System lands which (1) were formerly public domain lands subject to location and entry under the U.S. mining laws, (2) have not been appropriated, withdrawn, or segregated from location and entry, and (3) have been or may be shown to be mineral lands, are open to prospecting for locatable minerals (16 U.S.C. 482).

“Under the mining laws a person has a statutory right, consistent with Departmental regulations, to go upon the open (unappropriated and unreserved) Federal lands for the purpose of mineral prospecting, exploration, development, extraction and other uses reasonably incident thereto.” (See 30 U.S.C. § 21-54, 43 C.F.R. § 3809.3-3, 0-6).

16 U.S.C. § 481, Use of Waters: All waters within boundaries of national forests may be used for domestic, mining, milling, or irrigation purposes under the laws of the state wherein such national forests are situated or under the laws of the United States and the rules and regulations established thereunder.

Riparian “water” is appurtenant to federal “land”, as are minerals. (30 U.S.C. § 21)

The law is well settled by innumerable decisions that when a mining claim has been perfected under the law, it is in effect a grant from the United States of the exclusive right of possession to the same. It constitutes property to its fullest extent, and is real property subject to be sold, transferred, mortgaged, taxed, and inherited without infringing any right or title of the United States. Ickes v. Virginia-Colorado Development Corp., 295 U.S. 639, 55 S. Ct. 888, 79 L.Ed. 1627; Wilbur v. U. S. ex rel. Krushnic, 280 U.S. 306, 50 S.Ct. 103, 74 L.Ed. 445; Clipper Mining Co. v. Eli Mining & Land Co., 194 U.S. 220, 24 S.Ct. 632, 48 L.Ed. 944; St. Louis Mining & Mill Co. v. Montana Mining Co., 171 U.S. 650, 19 S.Ct. 61, 43 L.Ed. 320; Belk v. Meagher, 104 U.S. 279, 26 L.Ed. 735.

This possessory interest entitles the claimant to “the right to extract all minerals from the claim without paying royalties to the United States.” Swanson v. Babbitt, 3 F.3d 1348, 1350 (9th Cir. 1993).

Federal mining claims are “private property” Freese v. United States, 639 F.2d 754, 757, 226 Ct.Cl. 252 cert. denied, 454 U.S. 827, 102 S.Ct. 119, 70 L.Ed.2d 103 (1981); Oil Shale Corp. v. Morton, 370 F.Supp. 108, 124 (D.Colo. 1973).

“Uncompensated divestment” of a valid unpatented mining claim would violate the Constitution. Freese v. United States, 639 F.2d 754, 757, 226 Ct.Cl. 252, cert. denied, 454 U.S. 827, 102 S.Ct. 119, 70 L.Ed. 2d 103 (1981).

Federal Reserved Water Rights
Predates 1909 Oregon Water Code

Organic Administration Act of 1897
30 Stat. 36, Act of June 4, 1897

16 U.S.C. § 481

All waters within the boundaries of national forests may be used for domestic, mining, milling, or irrigation purposes, under the laws of the State wherein such national forests are situated, or under the laws of the United States and the rules and regulations established thereunder. (June 4, 1897, ch. 2, Sec. 1, 30 Stat. 36.)

As this federal statutory mandate and its legislative history clearly evidence, Congress explicitly authorized that water within national forests may be used for mining purposes, as a riparian right appurtenant any valid mining claim situated within a national forest.

Furthermore, waters utilized in placer mining is not a consumptive use; it does not subtract from the amount of water that is available to downstream appropriators. These reserved riparian rights are indefinite in duration and, for the most part, immune from state water laws and therefore, are not subject to diversion and beneficial use requirements and cannot be lost by non-use.

National Pollutant Discharge Elimination System (NPDES)

Section 301(a) of the Federal Water Pollution Control Act (Clean Water Act – CWA) provides that “the discharge of any pollutant by any person shall be unlawful.” 33 U.S.C. § 1311(a)

In turn, § 502(12) defines the term “discharge of a pollutant” to mean “any addition of any pollutant to navigable waters from any point source. . . .” 33 U.S.C. § 1362(12)

Thus, the Act prohibits only the addition of any pollutant to navigable waters from a point source.

Those constituents occurring naturally in the waterways or occurring as a result of other industrial discharges, do not constitute an addition of pollutants by a plant through which they pass” (Appalachian power 545 F.2d 1351). “only if the point source itself physically introduces a pollutant into water from the outside world” (Gorsuch 693 F.2d 156)

“Had Congress wanted to use CWA §402 to regulate all sources of pollution, ” ‘it would easily have chosen suitable language, e.g., all pollution released through a point source.’ ” Gorsuch, 693 F.2d at 176.

Instead, Congress chose the word “addition.” The NPDES system is limited to ‘addition’ of ‘pollutant’ ‘from’ a point source.”

Small scale suction dredge gold mining does not “add” any “pollutant” to water.

Do not be fooled. The Department of Environmental Quality has no rights to issue any permits for suction dredging. Although they will still try to charge you $25 for a yearly fraudulent permit that is useless.

The only way to acquire a permit is through the Department of State Lands and it’s free.

What type of mining do you plan?
Do you intend to do “prospecting” or “recreational and small scale placer mining?” You may not need an authorization from DSL. Under DSL’s administrative rules (OAR 141-089-0040):
“Prospecting” is defined as “searching or exploring for samples of gold, silver or other precious metals using non-motorized methods from among small quantities of aggregate. Prospecting is limited to the removal from or fill of less than one cubic yard of material at any one individual site and, cumulatively, not more than five cubic yards of material within a designated Essential Indigenous Anadromous Salmonid Habitat segment or State Scenic Waterway in a single year.”
“Recreational and Small Scale Placer Mining” includes, but is not limited to, the use of non-motorized equipment and motorized surface dredges having an intake nozzle with an inside diameter not exceeding four inches, and a muffler meeting or exceeding factory-installed noise reduction standards.”

Note: Prospecting is permitted within State Scenic Waterways without a permit from DSL.

Where do you want to look for placer deposits?
Be sure that you can legally pan, dredge or sluice on the land adjacent to or under the stream where you want to look for placer deposits. Check with the owner to be sure that it is all right for you to be there, even if the land is publicly-owned land. Remember that it is illegal to cross privately-owned land to get to a stream without first obtaining the owner’s permission.

Helpful Hint: You can find information about which of Oregon’s waterways are owned by the State of Oregon and available for prospecting and recreational and small scale placer mining activities at: http://www.oregon.gov/DSL/NAV/navigintro.shtml or request publications on navigability from DSL. You may also want to contact federal landowning agencies such as the Bureau of Land Management and the United States Forest Service for information concerning the availability of streams that run through the land they manage. Parts or all of some streams have been designated to be Essential Salmon Habitat or a State Scenic Waterway, or have been closed to recreational mining. You will need to obtain an authorization from DSL if you plan to look for placer deposits in that part of a stream that has been classified as Essential Salmon Habitat regardless of the amount of material you plan to move. Additionally, it is important for you to know which streams are classified as Essential Salmon Habitat because you will be required to report the amount of material you moved from these streams after you have completed your work.You will find information at the following websites:

• Essential Salmon Habitat, go to:
  http://www.oregon.gov/DSL/PERMITS/counties_ess.shtml
• A State Scenic Waterway, go to:
  http://www.oregon.gov/OPRD/RULES/docs/scenic_waterways_map.pdf
• A closed waterway, go to:
  http://www.oregon.gov/DSL/LW/mineclosure.shtml

What time of the year do you plan to look for placer minerals?
Many of Oregon’s waterways are closed each year for certain time periods to protect spawning fish and their eggs. During those times, you may not be allowed to conduct recreational and small scale placer mining activities in those streams. State Scenic Waterways are closed to recreational and small scale placeer mining. Some waterways have been closed to recreational mining by the U.S. Forest Service or Bureau of Land Management. Others are closed or use is limited by the Oregon Dept. of Environmental Quality (DEQ) due to water quality problems.

You will find closure or restriction information at the following:

• Inwater Work timing
• Recreational Mining Closures
• DEQ

Note: DSL cannot issue an ESH general authorization for work in any closed area or where DEQ will not issue a water quality permit.

What equipment will you be using?
The type of authorization you may need to obtain will depend
primarily on the size and type of equipment you use.

This information is important because:

To qualify for a General Authorization from DSL as a recreational and small scale placer miner, the maximum inside diameter of your dredge’s intake nozzle cannot exceed 4 inches. If it does:

• You will not qualify as a recreational and small scale miner for a General Authorization and will have to obtain an Individual Removal-Fill Permit, and
• You may need a 700-PM General Permit from the Oregon Environmental Quality Commission. Please see http://www.deq.state.or.us/wq/wqpermit/ssmining/smallscalemining.htm
• NOTE from oregongold.net:  At this time of this posting DEQ permits are invalid. This may change in the future, so keep your ears and eyes open. For those who want to go ahead and purchase the permit, it is said that if a new legal permit is issued that it will be transferrable. This issue is in the court of appeals, and the court has already deemed the issuing of permits invalid. As long as no ruling has been made, no 700-PM  permit is legally needed.

How much material do you plan to move?
It may not be possible for you to know how much material you will move prior to visiting each location. However, before starting to look for placer minerals, you need to be aware how the amount of material you move can impact the type of authorization you require.

In that part of a stream classified as Essential Salmon Habitat:
What you can remove: Up to 25 cubic yards per year under a DSL General Authorization.

Be aware that the 25 cubic yard amount is the total amount of material you are allowed to remove, alter or fill each year along each stream. For example, you may remove, alter or fill 5 cubic yards from 5 locations, or 1 cubic yard from 25 locations on each stream classified as Essential Salmon Habitat. If you remove more than 25 cubic yards, you will have to obtain an Individual Removal-Fill Permit from DSL.

You can not remove more than 25 cubic yards from a stream segment or more than 5 cubic yards per site within any stream designated as Essential Salmon Habitat.

Current state law does not permit recreational placer mining* within a State Scenic Waterway; however, you may prospect** within a State Scenic Waterway without a permit.

In all other streams or parts of streams NOT classified as Essential Salmon Habitat:

What you can remove: Up to 50 cubic yards annually without a DSL authorization.

If you remove more than 50 cubic yards, you will have to obtain an Individual Removal-Fill Permit from DSL.



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This is Part 1 of a 6-part program examining the impacts of state and federal regulations and land withdrawals on the mining industry.

In this segment, a gold miner shows us the adit of a gold mine in Josephine County, Oregon, where there’s still plenty of gold in the ground but the challenge is getting it out. He also shows us one of the best places for gold panning along the Rogue River, but cautions about running afoul of the new regulations. Then a retired state geologist discusses the different types of minerals found in Southern Oregon, and why it’s so difficult for miners to extract them.

This is Part 2 of a 6-part program examining the impacts of state and federal regulations and land withdrawals on the mining industry.

In this segment, we visit the Dawg Mining SummerFest and learn about highbanking and gold panning. Then we visit the site of one of the largest and highest grade silica deposits west of the Rocky Mountains, and learn why it’s taken 24 years to get to the point where the owner of the claim has any hope of mining it.

This is Part 3 of a 6-part program examining the impacts of state and federal regulations and land withdrawals on the mining industry.

In this segment, a gold miner shows us the reclamation project he implemented at a gold mining site in Golden, Oregon, where he established a wetlands with eleven ponds, providing habitat for fish and wildlife and trails for recreation. Then the former owner of the largest mining shop in the US discusses mining and mining regulations, and their impact on the local economy.

This is Part 4 of a 6-part program examining the impacts of state and federal regulations and land withdrawals on the mining industry.

In this segment, an ex-Navy SEAL who has been instrumental in developing the suction dredge technology for placer mining in river beds talks about the environmentalists’ litigation against mining and the recently passed law that bans suction dredging in California. Then the state geologist from the Josephine County office of the Dept. of Geology and Mineral Industries discusses how the Dept. of Geology assists miners, and we learn that it is being shut down.

This is Part 5 of a 6-part program examining the impacts of state and federal regulations and land withdrawals on the mining industry.

In this segment, we visit a minig camp where a miner lives with his wife and three children. Then we meet a miner who’s family developed a process for smelting a nickel ladderite ore into a “master metal” from which any grade of stainless steel can be easily produced. He has spent 17 years fighting legal battles to be able to mine his claim.

This is Part 6 of a 6-part program examining the impacts of state and federal regulations and land withdrawals on the mining industry.

In this segment, we learn about aggregate mining, and how important it is to our economy. Then we learn more about the endless litigation tactics employed by the environmental lobbies, and how they manage to manipulate both the courts and government agencies at great cost to the mining industry and the taxpayers.